For this episode, Tara discusses how to approach more abstract ideas around poetry with Dr. Nicola Simpson, whose work straddles visual art, poetry and philosophy. They talk about concrete poetry, sand poetry, and kinetic art; and they even consider interactions between poetry and yoga. They think about how the poetry world might learn from the art world’s open-mindedness, while keeping the language around poetry accessible and inclusive.

Listen to the full episode, and the complete Demystifying Poetry series archive.